We consider a variant of a question of Erdos on the number of empty k-gons (k-holes) in a set of n points in the plane, where we allow the k-gons to be non-convex. We show bounds and structural results on maximizing and minimizing the number of general 4-holes, and maximizing the number of non-convex 4-holes. In particular, we show that for n >= 9, the maximum number of general 4-holes is ((pi)(4)); the minimum number of general 4-holes is at least 5/2 n(2) - circle minus(n); and the maximum number of non-convex 4-holes is at least 1/2 n(3) - circle minus(n(2) logn) and at most 1/2 n(3) - circle minus(n(2)). 2014 (c) Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.